zeborah: I believe in safe, sane, and consensual Christianity. (credo)
[personal profile] zeborah
If you're a Christian and you're subscribed to me then chances are you're sick of how the vast majority of Christians who make it into the media are saying things that really don't represent our actual faith. Like, really don't represent it. Like, they're bashing the very groups of people Jesus was best buddies with. They're perverting his message of "Love your neighbour as yourself" by hedging it about with "except" and "unless". And when we're silent, we're letting them do it.

So me and [personal profile] julesjones and [personal profile] alex_beecroft have decided to speak up. This Pentecost (Sunday May 23rd) we're going to each write a blogpost aimed at explaining to the more 'fundamentalist' of our fellow Christians why we think it's fundamental to Christianity to be pro-choice, pro-LGBTQ rights, pro-immigration, pro-healthcare, pro-taxes -- in short, pro-love.

And if you're a fellow Christian, we'd love it if you'd join us in making your own blogpost and/or spreading the word around. --Note in particular: We're not aiming to convert any non-Christians to Christianity. (I might end up writing about why I think seeking converts nowadays is downright wrong.) We're aiming to convert fellow Christians into love.

We have a Dreamwidth community and a LiveJournal community. (Current settings are just pending a chance for us to chat when we're all awake, yay timezones.) Our official blurb-thing is in the profile. Feel free to gank my icon here, or any of the ones Alex made, or make your own.

Date: 2010-04-17 12:44 am (UTC)
firecat: red panda looking happy (Default)
From: [personal profile] firecat
I was raised Christian but when I was 13 I chose not to be confirmed, partly because of some of the stuff you're talking about. So I'm glad you're doing this. (Also, great icon.)

Date: 2010-04-17 12:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] joycemocha.livejournal.com
I've currently got a sub in to the LJ community and I'll participate over there (Yes, I have a DW account, no, I'm not using it for various reasons including time issues). I'll plan to post something sometime on Sunday. Thanks for starting this, all of you!

Date: 2010-04-17 02:47 am (UTC)
gwyn_bywyd: Photo of a yellow orchid. (Orchid)
From: [personal profile] gwyn_bywyd
A Big Huzzah for the plan! I will most definitely be joining in.

Ummm, just a word about the icon. I've only recently become aware, and I've been doing my best to change my speech habits, that using 'insane' in a derogatory fashion is ableist. The use of the word 'sane' in the icon suggests that the fundamentalists are 'insane'. Hateful? yes. Disgusting? Yes. Unbiblical? Yes. But to bring mental health into it, that is beside the point. And it is harming people, even if that is not my intention in using that language.

This blog post makes the point far more eloquently than I can.
http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/03/04/this-is-why-were-always-on-about-language/

The author concludes "we shouldn’t have to be the metaphors for our own oppressions."

Date: 2010-04-17 04:38 pm (UTC)
annathepiper: (Default)
From: [personal profile] annathepiper
Wow. Thank you very much for doing this. I'm agnostic, but I very much appreciate seeing this kind of speech from Christan folks.

Date: 2010-04-25 10:42 pm (UTC)
annathepiper: (Default)
From: [personal profile] annathepiper
You're most welcome!

Date: 2010-04-19 01:58 am (UTC)
aquaeri: A cat sitting inside an oven with its door removed (baking)
From: [personal profile] aquaeri
I'm not Christian (but raised in a Christian culture) but I completely support you and other like-minded Christians doing this. I'd much rather be not a Christian in a world where your definition of Christianity is the dominant one, if you follow.

Date: 2010-04-20 03:33 pm (UTC)
green_knight: (Bravo)
From: [personal profile] green_knight
Thank you, all of you, for standing up to be counted. I _know_ that not all Christians share the attitudes of the fundamentalists, but sensible folks are all too often invisible.

Date: 2010-04-25 03:33 am (UTC)
aquaeri: My nose is being washed by my cat (Default)
From: [personal profile] aquaeri
I thought this list (that is apparently unspeakably offensive to even suggest) would be a good discussion point for you - as PZ Myers points out, they're generally quite sensible things.

I'm still not sure if I belong in [community profile] bearing_witness or not - sorry I kinda abandoned our last religious discussion but it was getting stressful for me.

Date: 2010-04-25 06:44 am (UTC)
aquaeri: My nose is being washed by my cat (Default)
From: [personal profile] aquaeri
Oh, yes, I really hope it was a wet-noodle flogging.

I also thought this was interesting, particularly:
At 1962's Vatican II, most Cardinals actually favored liberalizing Catholic doctrine on contraception.

Gibbs writes,

Leaked reports of the commission's findings suggested that nearly all its theologians and a majority of the Cardinals favored changing the church's teaching on the immorality of contraception - but the following year, Paul VI issued his encyclical Humanae Vitae, in which he sided with the minority. The teaching against contraception stayed in place. Hundreds of American theologians issued a statement that this was not an infallible teaching and that Catholics could in good conscience dissent. And in any event, it was too late to reverse the trend; by 1970, two-thirds of Catholic women were using birth control, more than a quarter of those the Pill.


Makes that whole "Catholic Church's long-term faith to its principles" look so much more solid, yeah, that's the word.

I'm happy with our discussion just being an intermittent thing when I have enough energy to deal with it.

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