Zeborah

You see... oh never mind. We're obviously never going to agree about this. I really don't know how to deal with this kind of rant because whatever I do or say I'm in the wrong as far as you're concerned. Well, hello, I'm a working class white woman and I'm guessing that I'm probably a generation older than Z. I'm trying to tell you my experience and you constantly deride it. Well I find that offensive. If Z wants to unfriend me or cut mew out of this discussion at your behest then that's fine. I'm out of here anyway and, like Nicky and Helen, feeling increasingly uncomfortable in this company - more so than I was ever made to feel by the 'patriarchial self-centred white middle class university-education heterosexual-yet-misogynist men with no social skills' in rasfc. I also find it offensive that you take posters to a whole newsgroup and tar them with the same brush as if every single one of the people (yes, they are human beings) is exactly the same in their beliefs and attitudes. If that's not looking for offence then what is?

I'm sorry to lose Zeborah's conversation about writing and SF because I value it tremendously, but some things come with too high a price and being bullied by being told my views have no validity isn't my idea of fun. I try and respect your views and you don't seem to be able to respect mine.